Protocol Snow

How I went from Apple store newbie to lifetime ban in one week

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I had planned on reviewing the iPad in my next post, but instead I’ll dedicate this entry to my photo below and an incident that happened today. Review of the iPad coming soon.
(UPDATE: now posted)

Apple ipad tablet slate shopping

As was correctly guessed, those iPads in the photo are not for me. When Apple delayed the international iPad launch by a month, early adopters worldwide started to panic. Since my nearby Apple store initially had plenty of stock, I offered to purchase and ship iPads internationally for members of the NeoGAF gaming forum. I was doing this as a favor, unlike hoarders who were unloading iPads on eBay to cash in on the $150+ markup. Instead, my asking prices were very reasonable, just enough to cover all the tax, international express shipping, and Paypal fees with a little left over for unexpected costs.

So as the pick-up requests came in, I went on multiple visits to the Apple store, buying no more than 2 per day since I had heard there was a limit per person. I found this whole situation pretty funny considering I had never bought an Apple product prior to this madness (the iPod Touch I use at work was given to me by my medical school). But the store recently went completely out of stock. I had one last order to fulfill so an employee helped me place a reservation. A few days passed and yesterday I was sent an email notifying that my reserved iPad had come in. The story begins here…

Apple store

I walk into the store today and ask somebody where I can pick up my iPad reservation. He notes my name and says he’ll be back, going behind closed doors to the stockroom.

I take advantage of this opportunity to place another iPad reservation using a store PowerBook. There are a couple more NeoGAF people considering a purchase, but they haven’t paid me yet. Oh well, by the time this reservation comes in, one of them should have made up his mind and sent payment.

But drats, reservations are limited to one per iTunes account. Luckily I have a second account so I used that to place the reservation. No sweat.

The employee emerges a few minutes later with the iPad and I hand over my credit card. If you’ve never been to an Apple store before, instead of checking customers out at a register, the employees use hand-held credit card terminals to ring up purchases. Adds to the hip factor, I suppose.

Apple ipad tablet slate shopping genius bar store

But instead of using his handheld device, he walks to the back of the store where the “Genius Bar” is. Naught a word spoken. There are registers here but this area is used mainly for technical support. I follow the guy there. He still hasn’t said anything to me. He gives my credit card to one of the staff there and says, “I want you to help me ring up this purchase.”

Guy #2 (looking at the handheld terminal) — “Why don’t you just use that?”

Guy #1 — “I need to check the card for… uh, pre-authorization.”

Guy #2 — “Ok.”

He swipes my card and they click around for about half a minute while looking at their monitor and whispering. Meanwhile, I’m standing on the other side of the Genius Bar, only half paying attention to these two guys. Instead I was curiously watching an employee ask a girl what she loves most about Apple.

Guy #2 (murmuring) — “…yeah, the 14th.”

My attention snaps back when I catch this snippet. April 14th was my last trip to the Apple store, and I had bought 2 iPads that day. When I walked to the Genius Bar, I hadn’t suspected anything out of the ordinary. But now I suddenly realize I will not be walking out of here with an iPad today.

Guy #1 says to Guy #2 — “Hold on, I’ll be right back” and disappears to the stockroom again. Guy #2 is still clicking around, not looking at me.

Me (nonchalantly) — “Is there an issue?”

He’s still staring at his monitor and a few seconds pass before Guy #2 carefully says, “There is a limit to the number of iPads that customers can buy.”

Me (playing dumb) — “Oh, is that right? What’s the limit?”

Guy #2 — “Only 2 per customer.”

Apple ipad tablet slate shopping genius bar store

Ok, so the gig is up. I stand around waiting for a bit and was preparing to leave when Guy #1 returns.

Guy #1 — “I’m sorry sir, but you have reached your lifetime limit of iPad purchases and will not be allowed to buy any more.”

Me (anticipating that statement) — “Is the iPad limit per person? Per credit card? Per household?”

Guy #1 — “All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit.”

Me — “What does that mean? Can I use a different credit card to buy it? I’m buying this for a friend.”

Guy #1 — “You are not allowed to buy this iPad.”

Me — “Uhh… is it ok if I have a family member or friend come to buy it for me? My reservation doesn’t expire until 6:00 PM.”

Guy #1 — “All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit.”

Me (suddenly realizing what he’s saying) — “Wait, what? Lifetime? What does that mean?”

Guy #1 — “All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit of iPads and will not be allowed to buy any more.”

Me — “I’m banned from buying iPads? I know there’s a shortage right now, but I can’t buy any more once there’s plenty of stock?”

Guy #1 — “All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit.”

I pause and look at him with incredulity undoubtedly written all over my face. Everybody tells me I have the worst poker face. Hey asshole, nice job with the passive aggressiveness, but who do you think you’re talking to? I’m from Los Angeles; nobody does passive-aggressive like we do!

Me — “Ok buddy, I’m not going to make a scene so I’m leaving. How many iPads is the limit by the way?”

Guy #1 — “That information is not available.”

Me (looking at Guy #2, who has been silent this whole time) — “He tells me that the limit is two.”

Guy #1 — “I wish I could say but I do not have that information.”

Me — “I’ve already purchased more than 2 iPads. Why didn’t anybody else stop me in the past?”

Guy #1 — “I wish I could say but I do not have that information.”

Me — “Alright, I’ve had enough. Have a good day.”

The icing on the cake? When I came home, I found an email from Apple waiting for me. It was an update about my reservation, the one I had placed today in the store using my 2nd account!

Apple ipad tablet slate shopping genius bar store

Ban complete.

APPENDIX: Many people have been emailing me to ask how much I charged people. While I had previously decided not to give any concrete numbers, I also didn’t anticipate the wide interest in my story. For full disclosure, here are the specific figures:

A 16 GB iPad model retails for U.S. $499. My initial asking price was U.S. $650. This price includes all my additional charges: sales tax, 2 day USPS international express shipping, insurance, and Paypal credit card fees. All customs duty was properly declared.

This initial price was based on a shipping cost which I had estimated myself. Once I actually shipped the first package out and knew the actual USPS shipping cost, I refunded $20 to my buyers and lowered my price to U.S. $630.

The other models were priced the same way.

In summary, 16 GB for $630, 32 GB for $740, 64 GB for $850.

How is this different from eBay markup? eBay auctions add additional shipping costs and fees on top of the final auction value ($150-$200 above retail last I checked).

I bought 5 iPads total. You can do whatever calculation you want to figure out my “big-time profits”. I’ll save you the time: it was negligible.

Was it worth all that effort driving around after long days working at the hospital? Financially, no. But 5 diehard Apple fans in countries around the world are now very happy and spreading the iPad love to friends and co-workers, who would not have seen the iPad in person for a month at the very minimum. A couple of them have requested that I buy a few more iPads for their friends. I had to decline because… well, Apple banned me.

Apple storePhoto from Flickr. I don’t know his story, please don’t go flaming him.

Let’s play a game: how many sites will use this photo in connection with my story when they post about it, thinking these iPads are all mine? Just a little test to see if people actually read what I write instead of being sensationalists and grabbing only what they want to hear.

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Written by Protocol Snow

April 17th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

Posted in Gadgets, Pick-ups

  • i would be proud to get a lifetime ban from apple. i think apple should ban every person on the planet.
  • ll
    Whenever you have a problem like that, in a store, you should call Apple headquarters.  

    I had a huge problem with a new Mac computer I bought that had a defective screen. I'd never bought a Mac before.  I went to two different Apple stores and neither manager would replace the defective computer.  They kept "fixing" the (new) computer but it continued to have the same problem.  Finally, I told one of them, I paid for a NEW perfect computer, that's what I should receive for this amount of money.  All I got for my trouble was that famous stonewalling and hipper-than-thou, it-must-be-your-fault attitude.  I kept backing down because, inexperienced, I thought, well, maybe it really was my fault, or my problem, or whatever.  It was so time consuming, too, I can't tell you!  Insane!   This went on for months.  Finally, in disgust, I tried to have my bank just credit my c.c. but it was past their 60-day limit for that kind of thing.  I called Apple  headquarters and after all those months of wrangling and endless visits to the store (and not having a working computer, in the meantime) I was authorized to receive a NEW computer, in ONE call.
  • SteveJobs
    A selfish act of greed.
  • Redbordeaux
    Agreed.  Idiot and trying to justify it with an air or innocence.  Medical School, right.  Like a doctor has time to but and ship dozens of ipads.  Lifetime ban from anything apple for all i'm concerned.  idiot.
  • jozza.net
    You told them to "Have a nice day"? Seriously? I would have told them to go f*** themselves. Apple stores are full of braindead, unhelpful, egotistic turds. Both in US and Australia. It's like they have some universal brainwashing scheme.
  • Jonathan
    Kudos to apple you deserve to be banned.
  • Kingoftheearth21
    What I think is bullshit is that you can't use yahoo messenger without a cc or gift card even thou yahoo is NOT apple why the fuck do I need to give apple my #'s when I'm using yahoo. And anyway messenger is free wtf?????????
  • Zacharydfre@gmail.com
    haha i had a thing happen to me, just today. i took my dads credit card to buy a game on my XBL account...and he called and complaned that he made no such payment...and i downloaded the game. all fine and good. payed him his money back....this all happing like a month ago...and just today 9/6/2011 i get banned? i geuss they thought i was a hacker....haha lifes a bitch
  • JBS
    But Wait!! There will be another product Apple will develop and market! Gather all your friends; introduce them to your favorite Apple personnel as you all buy 2 of each. Pay your friends back right there in cash. Ship as you’d like, and make whatever money you want!!
  • So funny
  • laissez faire economics anyone?
  • Drumandbassfiend
    Wow. this is quite a fucking wall o' text for some foreigner trying to take advantage of a constrained item. Way to buy all the iPads to send them to your chinaman friends douchebag while little johnny down the street has saved his allowance cutting grass to buy one and your overseas ass has already bought them all.

    write something with more sustenance, or go cry to your little asian friends in your hondas. fuckface.
  • spookie
    I don't think Apple's limits make any sense either, but they've had them since the original iPhone and have enforced them to the extent of not letting Steve Wozniak buy more than 2 iPhones, so this shouldn't have been news to you.  And really, you did make a profit.  If you'd charged EXACTLY what your costs were it wouldn't look so iffy.
  • Snap your credit card and order a new one.

    Problem solved.
  • Tex
    I know this is old, but your an idiot.

    Its just like concert tickets. Sorry die hard fans, you cant get Rolling Stone tickets because someones already purchased yours.

    Also telling someone that they have exceeded the amount allowed by one person to purchase an item is not the same as "Banning" someone. Someone plays too much World of Warcraft.
  • I wish could limit my customer to 2 purchases in a life time. I live apple products but the company management has gone insane.
  • Skatempls
    Damn
  • YO MAMA
    Was that the only Apple Store you bought iPads from? If so, go to another one. If they say you can't buy one, tell your friend (or some random person on the street) to go.
  • lol
    <walks in="">-><goes elsewhere=""></goes></walks>
  • Holly
    To be fair, iPads are in limited stock but I think a lifetime ban is a bit over the top. The way the apple staff treated you was appalling; you should respect them and them you.
  • Sandy
    I am completely disappointed with Apple Store. We ordered a 2010 Christmas present MacBoob Pro) for our eldest son, who will be graduating high school soon this coming year. This is a major expense for us but we figure that is also a wise investment.

    Apple separated the shipment into 3 parts and invoiced our bank account (we used our bank card to pay) for four payments (.53 cents, $1171.00, $289.55, and $1171.53). Yes indeed, Apple Store charged us twice for the same amount. We promptly called our bank, Wells Fargo, and had to file a claim for the double-charge. Wells Fargo informed us that this claim could take up to 30 days to resolve. This does not help us much given that our mortgage payment is due in seven days. Merry Christmas to us from Steve Jobs.

    Next, we called the customer support line at Apple Store. We’ve now made five calls to the Apple Store customer disservice clowns with no resolution. What’s funny, in a very bad way, is how they just spew out the same robotic corporate telemarketer rhetoric, and do not get anything resolved. We are told that the double-charge “should” drop off in the next 30 days. Well, Steve Jobs, we need this money for our mortgage payment that is due in seven days.

    We consider ourselves as savvy and experienced, long-time internet shoppers. We have never had a problems like this. Given this low, low quality of customer service, it is amazing that Apple Store is still in business. We will never do business with Apple Store again. Now we need to go and find some funds to cover our mortgage until our double-charge from Apple Store is reversed.
  • Aidan
    Can't you just buy iPads at bestbuy? futureshop?
  • gogreenmaureen
    It's a wonderful story. That's what our country is all about. Helping people. So you made a small profit. I would add more but I think you see where I'm going. As far as apple I'd like to see their profit margin. And all the big CEO's too.
    lol Rationed iPads. I couldn't resist.
  • Andrewilllee
    If those workers weren't Asian, I would just put the racist excuse on them... or I would just cause a scene. lol
  • Ahmed Ali
    i have seen your site.i like all material which you have added in it.i want your help to increase my business and in the promotion of my site named newinapple.com

    http://newinapple.com/

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  • Orange
    I've read every single word of your story, and I agree that you're a complete moron.
  • Fraserabrown
    After reading that very involved post that could probably have been about 6 sentences to the same effect, all i could take from it was this
    a) the shop assistant was nervous about telling you this, he understands it's sort of bullshit.
    b) you were totally rude to them and were probably making wildly irrational and uninformed arguments
    c) they don't care about you, and .5 minutes later they have probably forgotten.
    d) this is petty, does the world really need this on page 1 google results?

  • No
    Same story here, but the employee just recognized me from the day before. For me the limit was reached with just 2 iPhones! The employee asked me if I already bought an iPhone and I said yes. I could've just said no..
  • Poultry, PCs and Macs
    Re: Free technical support for Macs: My ASUS notebook had a little problem with the LCD recently. A big grey box spanning the height of the screen; I think it was as a result of me carelessly putting it in my bookbag (I go to a University to learn things). Called their tech support. They don't have a genius bar, so they PAID to ship my laptop across state lines and had it repaired and returned within the month (did I mention it was free?)
    I notice a lot of people saying that you pay for this, you pay for that, whether you realize it or not. You pay for everything without your consent. It's called profit. If it costs Apple x amount of dollars to keep their Genius Bars up and running, then, in turn, your laptop costs a lot of money to keep it all working. It's cyclical. That's life. I would say that nothing you do will change things such as that, but someone will get sociological on my ass and say that of course, we have control. Whatever.

    Re: Mac vs. other operating systems in general- I'm running Windows 7 right now on my Asus notebook. LOVE the computer. great graphics, screen, speakers.. it was built to be a gaming machine, and I am satisfied as such. But Windows 7 came too soon, and it doesn't function very well with my webcam, and my laptop weighs around 9 lbs. and the battery life on Power Saver is fifteen minutes less of two hours. I could buy another battery, but that would mean turning my laptop off in a lecture hall to replace the battery and then I'd miss what the professor is saying. So, in turn, I'm looking at buying a MacBook Pro 13" to sustain my need for a lightweight computer with great battery life. You could call me a PC turned hybrid; I use a Mac Mini at work and the thing freezes up occasionally. Nothing's perfect. I wish it was, but I'm fine with that.
    As long as we have money, we'll buy things. As long as we buy things, we'll argue their finer points over other things.
    I bought some chicken tenderloins at the store because they were cheap and looked like they'd do what I wanted them to do. They ended up being completely disgusting. I will stick with the slightly more expensive chicken breasts now- they are more filling, cook better and worth the money.
    (Did I just say that I like Macs over PCs? Oh, wait, no, chicken tenderloins are just disgusting.)
    Just wanted to throw this out there and possibly get some responses.
  • Gauravahuja
    its because of fuckers like you that skew the supply demand by buying things nobody asked you for that people like me that saved long and hard to buy something have to wait out in the cold.
  • KundoKun
    I remember a Seinfeld episode, "The Nazi Soup". The situation is exactly like that. George Constanza was ban.

    This history is really funny for me. I'm living in Latin America, and stuff like that are really abnormal for us. Why an enterprise will refuse to sell!!??

    No more IPad for you!
  • Dustin_moritz
    lifetime ban? couldnt you just...take some money outta your card...drive across town and buy in cash?
  • lindakduong
    awww man...I'm sorry that totally sucks.
  • blabla
    Just what APPLE wants... banter of any kind! I read comments saying - "PC" and "MAC/APPLE". no one has mentioned any of the other "PC" brands...

    So whos the winner... The large corporation who brand is promoted FREE! (APPLE you win!).
  • Chee
    Dear Koneshiwaaaa;

    I go Harvard become doctar and make lots of money. Used to want engineering bc lots of math but engineering no pay well, so I become doctar. I spend all day in lab, put out scientific journals. I cool, sophisticated, and swauve. Ladies want me. I make up that I wan to help people so I can get into Harvard, really I just want prestige. I smart man, no social skills but I know my science so I get 45 MCAT and 2400 SAT. Parents drop ship me at testing center to ruin curves, then I go home and study more. Study, study, study, study. I make money.
  • I am not commeting on the maximum number of ipad, nor on the limitation itself, I don't mind. However, I am frightened about how Apple is doing the next "Big Brother". They are tracking clients and their purchases ?
    It's probably illegal in Europe (in France it is even forbidden to deny a purchase in a public store) but I am frightened about what other kind of data they collect and they may use about us. For me this is the main problem in your story
  • This story is hilarious.

    Apple is getting to be a very hilarious establishment trying to engineer society.
  • Seraph
    My dad can beat up your dad
  • K.G
    Can't you just go to a Best Buy when stock comes in and pay cash

  • splint
    Lol, that's awesome! I love seeing people not get something they feel they are entitled to. I'm sure that's a fault of my own personality but it makes me happy. I'm going to buy two iPads.
  • jcasetnl
    Wow, this is too funny. Check out this guy (oh wait that's actually a chick) raving about how great the genius bar is, then look at what she brought her comp in for:

    http://www.macobserver.com/tmo...

    Yes, she could no longer double-click because she set the double-click speed too high THINKING IT WOULD MAKE FOLDERS OPEN FASTER.

    Man alive, I know not every mac user is this dumb, but PC users who are this dumb are not reviewing products, writing columns or in any way presenting themselves as authorities in the computer world.
  • Clyde
    So basically its like the soup nazi episode from Seinfeld, except replace the soup place with the Apple store and the angry chef guy with a beatnik...
  • Anon
    I'm an Apple Certified Macintosh Technician by trade. I spend all day working in a medium-to large sized organization fixing computers. I unscrew 'em and make 'em work again, i fix software issues, i configure the domain and the network to run smoothly. I'm "the computer guy", or one of them anyway. That being said, Macs just plain weren't designed or intended to work in this kind of "work" environment. They suck at printers, they suck at domain/directory services. We have multiple Xserve units hosting the iCal and all that jazz, and our primary had to be rebuilt within its first year of operation. The entire OD database.

    It plays. It just don't work
  • ipodinthebin
    If you are sucked in by their slick advertising and buy an overpriced peice of software that doesn't even support flash then you a fool in the first instance. In fact you must be the same person who buys Madonna albums :P
    Get a life.. stop the marketeers from controlling your thoughts!
  • daisukeumon
    It is my understanding that what the store did to you was illegal. Instead of using your card. Just go into a store and use cash. If you want to buy the product and it is wrung up then they have to use your cash since it legal tender for all debts. Just use cash. But since the item was brought out to you in the first place and did not let you pay for regardless of method; brings Apple to committing an illegal act since they would not accept payment for the product.
  • Camillaz
    Lol - just sounds so strange. We still haven't got the iPad here in Denmark - but I will be buying it!
  • Hi, thank you very much. good job.
    Ian Eisenberg
  • jcl1
    I have tried everything (BSD, Unix, Linux, BeeOS, Windows and Mac). I can trouble shoot all of these OS's hands down. Technically they are all the same. They all have their problems and greatness to them. And I use them accordingly; Mac's for graphics and picture processing, Linux for everyday web surfing and product hacking, and Windows for gaming. Now for people who are of the retarded toward computers type I recommend Ubuntu. Can't get a virus with linux and now very easy to setup (within the last year or so). The main problems I have seen are; Mac's burn out (everyone I know has there chips fry but thats my experience), Window's are a huge target for virus' and malware galore (the main problem I find with windows but if you don't search google with the famous Top 10 virus terms you may never get one, I don't but my wife does), Linux- not user friendly enough (most of the time I spend countless hours setting up stupid things that the average user needs but needs programming skills to accomplish). Otherwise it's all binary to me. I could careless of the company who makes these OS' as long as I can get my work done in the most efficient manner possible. I can't hate a company I didn't give my money to. Ha!
  • LMAO

    That was an absolutely hilarious encounter. Thanks for sharing!